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dmsnyder

Sourdough controversy: Where do the microflora come from? Are they replaced over time?

The question recently posted about Ed Wood's (www.sourdo.com) starters brought to mind one of the great sourdough controversies: Do the original strains of yeast and lactobacilli in a purchased or gifted starter persist, or are they replaced over time by the yeast and lactobacilli strains native to the locality, or are they replaced by the flora on the flours used to feed the starter?

Ed is adamant about the flora in the starters he sells continuing forever. Others insist on one of the other theories.

Since most of the yeast and lactobacilli in grain supposedly adhere to the outer parts (bran) of the berries, does feeding a starter exclusively with "white" flour help preserve the original flora? Is it necessary to do this to prevent their replacement, or will the original flora continue to dominate in a healthy culture regardless of what kind of flour it is fed?

What do you all think? Does anyone know of data (not anecdotes!) that speak to these issues?

David

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ejm

six strand braiding video

I mentioned earlier that 6 strand braiding is easy and attempted to show my technique with text and drawings. But I could never have managed this without watching the linked videos on that post.

So we took it upon ourselves to make a video of my two-hand braiding technique as a supplement to our text/drawing instructions.

  1. Take the 2nd from left strand in your right hand and the 1st from the left strand in your left hand. Your right hand goes all the way over all the strands to the right (keep hold of that strand); your left hand goes over two strands to the center.
  2. Take the 2nd from right strand in your left hand your right hand is still holding the strand that is now 1st from the right strand (just a moment ago, this strand was the 2nd from the left...). Your left hand goes all the way over all the strands to the left; your right hand goes over two strands to the center.
  3. repeat 'til finished. Tuck ends under.

braiding

The bread recipe and more braiding photos are here:

Happy Braiding!

-Elizabeth

(edited to put video at the top of the post so it's more easily seen)

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Dhaus

Has Anybody Purchased Cultures From This Site?

Hi all,

I want to get into sourdough. Especially San Francisco style. Surfing around the other day, I came across this website:

http://www.sourdo.com/culture.htm

I was wondering if anybody has used these folks and if so what their experience was with the cultures.  What caught my eye is they are selling what they call the " original San Francisco culture". 

I used to live in the Bay area some years ago and I loved the sourdough bread from places like Bordenaves in San Rafael.  I think their starter is something like 70 years old.

It would be awesome to come semi-close to recreating some of that bread.

Thanks for any info,

Darren

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Italian peasant bread in brotforms

This is the first time I have attempted to proof and shape my Italian peasant bread in brotforms. I have made these loaves many times before but have always shaped them on my couche. These are the second loaves I have attempted to score. I did two loaves of sourdough last week and posted those on the site. The recipe I use comes from Bernard Clayton's 1973 edition, The Complete Book of Breads. The crust came out nicely chewy and the crumb was excellent being silky smooth. This is also the first time I used Caputo 00 flour instead of KAF unbleached bread flour. The difference was amazing in texture; nothing against KAF which I will be using in my other breads. My wife was very impressed. 

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Kneading evil?

Hiya,

Let's hear your thoughts...
Why all the Internet chatter about no-Knead bread?

My personal thoughts are that it is related to everything else we sacrifice for convenience.

For example, look at this thread on LifeHacker:
(Read the comments)
http://lifehacker.com/5060851/make-no+knead-bread-faster-and-healthier

 

I love kneading, it's better than Therapy, one of the best Stress reliefs.

Note: I'm not picking on LifeHacker, that's a great site for tips, DIY, self help, etc.

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crunchy

A Fruitful Weekend

Last weekend I finally had time for baking, after a long and exhausting week. Continuing the exploration of Hamelman's book "Bread", I ventured into the Detmolder method section. I love ryes and I love a good challenge, so naturally the three-stage 90% rye had to be made. My rye starter is always very lively, but to my surprise, it was going out of control by the end of the third build. The final dough was a sticky mess; in fact, it resembled clay more than any sort of dough. Hamelman warns not to add more flour even if the dough is tacky. I stuck to his advice. This is what came out of the oven.

I waited a day before cutting into it to let the crumb set fully. This loaf was sweeter than any other rye I've made before. The crust was delectably crunchy and almost nutty. The crumb was dense, as could be expected of a 90% rye, yet moist and airy.Det90ryecrumb

That same weekend I also made a whole wheat muligrain (pg.169). Hamelman recommends some grains, but leaves the choice largely up to the baker. I used a combination of wheat and rye berries, corn meal, millet, and sunflower seeds. The flavor was incredibly rich and deep, with a tender whole grain presence in the middle and a lingering sweet honey finish.

And finally, there was a Vermont sourdough (pg. 153), also delicious. The dough was a pleasure to work with. This book is a tremendous resource, I can't recommend it enough.

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Dwu3193

Best supermarket flour

I recently discovered that Cook's Illustrated had done a tasting test on supermarket AP flours to discover the one for the home cook. However, it's only available to subscribers and people who sign up for a 14 day trial. But I frequently forget to cancel those trials before they stop being free so truthfully, I don't want to risk screwing up my credit score. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here knew how they ranked the flours, or if there's anyone who subscribes to CI and can look it up. I know they rated Hodgson's Mill flour very high, but it's not available where I live, so what are the other well-rated flours?

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md_massimino

Whole wheat Desem bread

I've been going through the recipes in the KAF Whole Grains cookbook and I was wondering if anyone has tried to make Desem bread.  The starter for this bread is a stiff starter...twice as much flour as water (which is a royal pain to feed, btw)

I used the quasi-desem recipe in the book with mixed results.  There's no all porpuse flour at all in this recipe, but the book says that it should be a light bread.  I had a really good first and second rise, but after I shapped the loaves for the third rise not much happened and consequently I got a very dense bread.  Has anyone else had success with this style of bread?

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holds99

Hamelman's Light Rye

I really like Hamelman's light rye bread (from his book "Bread", page 197).  I bake it fairly frequently and use it mostly for sandwiches and toast. I prefer a little tighter crumb so I don't use his 6 fold French method (page 249) nor Bertinet's slap and fold method when making this bread.  I simply use my Kitchen Aid and give it a couple of stretch and folds during bulk fermentation.  Anyway, for my taste this is a great bread, as is his Vermont Sourdough with Whole Wheat (on page 154).  For those who haven't made this bread, it's a winner and fairly easy to make.

Note: I doubled the recipe and these boules are approximately 3 pounds each. 

Howard

In the oven

 

Cooling rack

 

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Atropine

Homemade Pasta

Am looking for some assistance.  I make a type of homemade spaetzle, handed down from my grandmother (the recipe lol).  While we LOVE the "homemade noodles", they are not quite right for things like alfredo sauce.  They seem to be more like mashed potatoes (on which you might put butter, gravy, etc) as opposed to pasta (where you would put red or cheese sauce).  I could not even imagine how.....unsound it would taste to put alfredo sauce on these.  I have a VERY simple alfredo type sauce that my spouse loves and would enjoy making hm pasta to put it on.

Could anyone give me some direction for a recipe or technique or ingredient that makes a (I HATE to say this) more of a dried boxed pasta tasting noodle? 

My current recipe/technique is very simple--1 egg to 1 cup white flour, some crushed dried parsley, and some milk to make it workable.  Roll it out thin and cut it with this REALLY nifty pasta cutter (It looks like a pizza cutter, but has multiple blades mounted side by side).

I am not sure if it is a flour issue, a technique issue, or something else.  I figured that, while this is not bread, it IS dough and it does have to deal with flours, and y'all are my "go to" for all things dough and flour :).

Thanks!

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