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venkitac

How to keep crust crisp/crackly?

When I take my baked loaves out of the oven, the crust is crisp. (I even had a loaf sing - for the first time! - yesterday). But soon after, say in 1.5 to 2 hours, the crust becomes significantly less crisp, almost loses it completely. And sometimes the crust softens so much that it wrinkles etc. Is there a way to keep the crust crisp for longer? (I'm mostly baking batards, under a foil pan for 30% of the total bake time, and I spray water on the insides of the foil pan. I sometimes mist water on the surface of the loaf too, sometimes not).

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wally

Hamelman's Fougasse with Olives

Having battered myself attempting to conquer (well...make peace with?) baguettes - hampered by still developing scoring techniques and an old gas oven that simply won't retain steam - this morning I decided to treat myself to something less daunting.  I've been looking at some of the flatbread recipes in Hamelman's Bread, and his fougasse recipe caught my interest.  It's simple and has a pleasing scoring pattern (no gringes, thank you very much).

fougasse with olives

The bake turned out nicely, I think, and the reaction of my pub companions with whom I shared the loaf was positive.  It yielded a nice crust, and a chewy crumb infused with flavor from the olives and the olive oil.  This is a wonderful snack-type bread that will disappear quickly, as it should.  With its large area of crust, including that around the decorative slits, it's not meant to store but bake and eat soon as it's cooled sufficiently.

I diverted from his recipe just a tad - instead of a small pinch of yeast in the pâte fermentée, I substituted 15% of my 60% hydrated sourdough starter.  The only noticeable difference was a slight hint of sourness to the pâte fermentée the next morning which I enjoyed.

The one challenge was moving the fougasse to my parchment covered peel.  Once you score the risen dough (I used a pizza cutter which worked well), the cuts tend to spring open immediately.  This is nice.  However, attempting to lift the fougasse onto the peel was a nightmare, as the cuts made it impossible to lift the dough without it stretching in every direction.  At first I looked at what appeared to be a hopeless mass, but with some patient rearranging I was able to reconstitute its shape.  In the future, I will probably do the final shaping and slashing with the dough on the peel to avoid potential disaster and aggravation.

Otherwise, it's remarkably simple and the the finished product elicits a very high "oooohhhh" factor when shown off.

Larry

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Peach Cobbler Bread

I'm so excited! I love cinnamon raisin bread but wanted to experiment. My friend had just cut up four peaches that weren't very sweet and were turning brown in the refrigerator. What to do, what to do? I decided to try and simulate peach cobbler, which is what we originally considered doing with the peaches. I tweaked and added a few things to a basic cinnamon-raisin bread recipe. The bread came out wonderfully sweet and would have easily made delicious individual peach-cinnamon cobbler rolls. It made two loaves.

To the basic cinnamon-raisin bread dough, I added a little extra sugar because I knew the peaches were tart, otherwise proceed as the recipe dictates.

As the dough proofs, mix together brown sugar (2/3-1 c.), 4T. butter (soft) and flour (1/2-2/3 c.) and stir until you get crumbs. After rolling dough into rectangle sprinkle with cinnamon sugar. (Note: I divided my dough to make two loaves) Now distribute half the crumb mixture evenly over the cinnamon sugar layer. Dice your peaches and pat them dry. Don't smoosh them now, just a gentle pat and place them on top of the crumb mixture. Give it another shake of cinnamon sugar (really, this is according to taste). Roll the dough up as you would normally and sprinkle the rest of the crumbs over the top of the bread, or you can wait until after this final proof and sprinkle the crumbs right before the loaves go into the oven. From here you can follow the cook times for your cinnamon-raisin bread recipe. (The crumbs on top of the bread melt and bake into a nice, crunchy sweetness.) 

 

When the bread cooled, I made a glaze of cinnamon and 10x sugar mixed with 2-3 T. milk to make a nice drizzle and, well, drizzled it. :) 

If you love peaches and love sweet breads, this is a recipe to try!

 

 

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avatrx1

converting yeast recipe to sourdough

I have this wonderful recipe that I've made many times.  I'd be interested in how I might convert this to a recipe using a starter instead of yeast>

BE honest - am I better off leaving well enough alone since I do LOVE this recipe?

-Susie

Coarse Salt and Rosemary Focaccia Bread

2 tsp Active Dry yeast
2 cup Warm Water
8 TB Olive Oil
5 C. Unbleached flour (can use bread flour or whatever you have)
1 TB Salt
3 TB Fresh Rosemary Leaves (I have been using dry)
1 TB Coarse Salt (Kosher Salt)

Combine yeast and warm water in bowl.
Add 3 TB olive oil to the water and let soak for 5 minutes

Mix the flour, 1 TB salt and 1/2 the Rosemary together.
Add the yeast water mixture to the flour. Stir with wooden spoon til mixed.

Turn onto floured surface and knead for about 10 minutes.

Place into lightly oiled bowl and let rise til double.

Punch down dough and spread onto lightly oiled jelly roll pan or cookie sheet.
Let rise again til doubled.
(You can also shape individual bun size (3" diam) portions and place on sheet to rise).

Before baking, punch indentations in top of dough with your fingers. Drizzle with
remaining Olive oil and sprinkle with the Coarse salt and remaining
Rosemary leaves. (I don't always use ALL of the oil and salt)

Bake at 450 for 20 minutes or until golden brown.

This recipe is fantastic when lightly toasted and served with
grilled chicken breast smothered in sauteed mushrooms and
onions and served with honey mustard sauce.

 

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patnx2

Hello and thanks

Hi my name is Patrick and I am having lots of fun baking and learning from you all. Thanks all.  My question is in regard to building a biga(using Fooydm's rustic bread. My sd starter is at 100%. So my plan is to build at 50%.  so 6 oz sd starter,6 water and 12 bread flour. will this be close to the amount of biga in the recipe. I hope this is clearer then mud. Thanks again for all the great advise, Patrick from Modesto.

 

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mizrachi

Advice Needed: Best/ Unique Bread for Pulled Pork Sandwiches?

I've been enlisted to make the bread for pulled pork sandwiches.  My understanding is that hamburger buns are the usual roll, but as it's a special occasion I was thinking something else might work just as well if not better.  I'm not sure what might enhance these delicious homemade bbq sandwiches, or what flavors would work in with the bbq and coleslaw, but I'm open to any ideas you might have.

 

Thanks!

 

Miz

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Green Tea

Green Tea Bread Baking

After some successfully delicious baking sessions...

Spinach Cheese Boule - made wonderful sandwich bread

Pain de Provence - absolutely amazing!!!  SO good as toast! (but, yes, I really need to work on my scoring, not just my usual complete degassing of a bread as I attempt to slice...)

...I finally decided it was about time (as I started bread baking last November or so?) to try to develop my own recipe.

And I chose the obvious.

With the reference of numerous other bread recipes, I ended up with my Sweet Green Tea Bread.

(The glaze was stolen and slightly altered from Beth Henspengers Sweet Vanilla Challah (so good!!) in her book Bread for All Seasons)

Anyhow, here was how it was supposed to go:

Sweet Green Tea Bread

Preferment
1 tbsp active dry yeast
3/4 cup warm water or milk
1 cup all purpose flour

Dough
2 ½ cups all purpose flour
1/3 cup sugar
1 tsp salt
6 tbsp green tea leaves
1 cup strongly brewed green tea (with or without the tea leaves)
1 well beaten egg
3 tbsp very soft butter

Glaze
1 egg yolk
¼ tsp vanilla extract
½ tsp sugar

Sesame seeds (optional)

Preferment: Mix the yeast, warm milk or water and flour together, set aside ½ hour minutes.

Glaze: blend ingredients, set aside.

Dough: In a large bowl blend the flour, sugar and salt. Grind half of the green tea into powder. Blend the (dry) green tea into the (liquid) green tea, add egg and let it sit for a few moments until the (dry) green tea is soft.

Add the green tea mixture into the dry ingredients and then beat in the butter, lastly mix in sponge.  Knead with generously floured surface and hands until smooth and satiny (or until whenever you think it is ready- it was more of a guess on my amateur behalf).

First rise- until double in bulk.
Second rise- mostly degas, shape into one large loaf or two small ones and let the dough rise until double in bulk again.

Bake- Glaze and sprinkle with sesame seeds before putting in the oven preheated to 350ºF (with a preheated pan in bottom). Pour water in the pan and spray the oven walls and bake for around 30-50 minutes.

Looks just like one big cha sui bao! (Chinese barbaque pork bun)

And... here was how it really went.  I forgot to put in the butter and went very much off schedule for near the ending moments of the final rise I ended up having to leave the poor bread on its own for around three hours... although I did pop it in the cellar to try to slow rising!

Despite that it turned out wonderfully and the smell that filled the house was heavenly!

Now if I were to make it again... I think I would cut the ground green tea down to only 2 tablespoons, I have to admit there might have been just a bit too much. 

Please, if you have an advice for improving my recipe please, please reply!  It is probably in dire need of improvement!

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ClimbHi

This weekend's bake

Not much activity in this folder lately, so I thought I'd post this weekend's baking in the WFO.

Made a double batch of SD bread starting with the PR recipe in BBA, but substituting 1/3 of the flour weight in the final dough -- about 12 oz. -- with whole wheat, 7-grain, oatmeal and barley. Also added 2 Tblsp. each of honey and brown sugar to counteract the bitterness of the 7-grain, and added some sunflour seeds and some pine nuts. Split the batch into 5 loaveabout s, batard shaped, and set them to rise. I tend to bake my loaves on parchment and I use scraps of wood between the loaves to keep things straight, and direct the rise up as opposed to out. Kind of a parchment couche. Then I cover the whole batch with plastic to rise:

DSCN2739 by you.

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About two hours later, I light the oven. This firing, I just burned a bunch of scraps from my woodshop -- about 1-1/2 liquor boxes worth.

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Notice how the heat/smoke stratifies in the oven.

Two hours later, the loaves have fully risen, the oven has heated to "white hot", the fire has been raked out and the oven has been allowed to sit empty and closed to allow the heat to soak into the masonry. When the air temp gets down to around 500F, it's time to load 'er up.

DSCN2753 by you.

I made two of the loaves into batards, and three into pan de epi. and loaded the oven.

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Misting the loaves after loading. I use a garden sprayer with a fine spray that pretty much evaporates to steam before it ever hits the walls, etc.

DSCN2755 by you.

20 minutes later, they're done. I really like the touch of WW and other stuff in these loaves. Despite the additions, they rose well and have a light and open crumb:

DSCN2756 by you.

Then, the desert goes in -- this week it was peach/blueberry cobler with pecan streusel topping -- for another 20 minutes or so. Served with a nice chilly sangria. Major Yum!

 DSCN2757 by you.

(We also roasted a beer can chicken that had been started on the grill along with the desert, but I didn't get a pic of that.)

ClimbHi
Pittsburgh, PA

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rff000

Translation of Auerman's Borodinsky Recipe and some questions about it.

Here's a recent translation I made of Auerman's Borodinsky recipe, in case it's of use or interest to anyone. You can find the original at https://www.slashtmp.iu.edu/public/download.php?FILE=feldstei/95081siBxp8

Auerman's Borodinsky Recipe
For a loaf weighing between .5 and 1 kg:

Ingredients
Rye flour (95% extraction)--------80
Wheat flour (85% extraction)------15
Red rye malt---------------------- 5
Salt------------------------------ 1
Yeast----------------------------- 0.1
Sugar----------------------------- 6
Syrup----------------------------- 4
Vegetable oil--------------------- 0.05
Coriander------------------------- 0.5
Potato flour---------------------- 0.2
Total----------------------------111.85

3-Stage Process: Scald-Sponge-Dough

1. Scald
Rye flour--------------25 kg
Malt------------------- 5
Coriander-------------- 0.5
Water---------------65-68 liters
Preparation of scald: mix malt and coriander into 7-8 liters of cold water, add flour, mix and pour in 55-60 liters of boiling water, mixing constantly. In 2-2.5 hours mix the scald again for several minutes and cool to 35 C.

2. Sponge:
Scald--------------------All
Sour-------------------  15-17 kg
Yeast--------------------    0.1 kg
Thoroughly mix the sour into the cooled scald and then let it ferment
for around 4 hours. Note: older, mature dough is used as the sour. Or the following mixture can be made:


Mature dough------------------ 5 kg
Rye flour--------------------- 5 kg
Water------------------------5-7 kg
This sour should ferment for around 5 hours at 27-29 C.
(Translator's note: the sour has a hydration of 100-140.)

3. Dough
Sponge------------------------All
Salt-------------------------  1 kg
Sugar------------------------  6 kg
Syrup------------------------  4 kg
Rye flour (95 extraction)-----55 kg
Wheat flour (85 extraction)---15 kg

Dough temperature should be 30 C and after 10-30 minutes it can be formed into loaves. Loaves are elongated and smoothed with wet hands, then placed on boards that have been sprinkled with flour and left to stand for 15-20 minutes.

After standing and before going into the oven, the loaves are coated with a wheat flour and water mixture and sprinkled with coriander. The loaves are first put in a 320-350 C. oven for 4-6 minutes and are finished up at 240-250 C. The surface is made shiny by coating with a starch mixture.

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Aside from the use of a tiny amount of yeast, which I just omit, two things bother me about this recipe:

1. One quarter of the flour is put into the scald (zavarka). Others (e.g. Royter) only use 16% or less. What is optimal?

2. After forming the loaves, they are put into the oven after only 20 minutes. That sounds like too short a time.

Ron

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ehanner

Glycemic Load Testing or, the case for Sourdough

I have done some amount of research on the subject of how Sourdough breads affect persons with Diabetes. As a person afflicted by this disease, I take it seriously and while I'm not a very good follower of my Dr's orders, I do make efforts in certain areas to control my sugar levels. My own experience was that my blood sugar went and stayed down when I ate breads risen with a natural yeast. That isn't to say the same will happen to you but I wouldn't bet against it.

I was directed to a set of scientific papers done in Europe by some prominent scientists at a University concerning this subject. The short story is that they made 8 loaves of bread. 2 each of 4 types. In each type the bread was risen by commercial or natural (sd) yeast. Otherwise the breads were identical. The testing was done to determine the glycemic load of each bread on a healthy person. The results are remarkable. It shouldn't be a surprise that our bodies digest natural products more easily than commercial pretenders.

Here is the link to the paper I refer to.

 

Eric

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