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bread lover

question about high extraction flour

I have been reading about high extraction flour on this forum and I want to make Thom Leonard's country french, but I have a question.  In the book "artisan baking" it tells of a way to make a kind of pseudo high extraction flour by sifting whole wheat, but in "the bread bible" RLB talks about reduced bran flour.  It sounds similar and she states one way of getting reduced bran flour is to sift whole wheat, but another way is to add wheat germ and bran to bread flour.  My question is, is reduced bran, and high extraction in fact the same.  I added bran and germ to white flour and I really liked the texture of the big flakes of wheat bran.  I just want to make sure they are about the same so I don't get bad results. 

 

thank you in advance.

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SylviaH

What I did with my frozen pizza dough today!

I hope I'm not the only one who does some strange experiments?  Like useing frozen pizza dough for a pate fermentee!!  I made french bread and another Daisy Ring yeasted coffee cake this time with Almond Paste filling.  They both tasted very good, lots of pleasing flavors in the both the bread and the yeasted coffee cake!

I used JH Baguettes with Pate Fermentee / tweaking the recipe to use my pizza dough!

Next time I will  need to make my Almond Paste filling a little more dryer.  I made a sourcream sugar glaze.

Delicious yeasted coffee bread I make in an assortment of flavors.  It's usually made as a straight dough recipe!

Lots of flavor in the tender crumb!

Sylvia

 

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dmsnyder

Norwich Sourdough

SusanFNP's "Norwich Sourdough" is her adaptation of Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough from his book, "Bread." The recipe can be found on Wildyeastblog.com, Susan's wonderful baking blog, under "My New Favorite Sourdough."

I followed Susan's recipe with the following differences: 1) I used Guisto's Baker's Choice and Guisto's whole rye flours, 2) I baked three 500 gms loaves and froze the remaining dough in two pieces for future pizzas, 3) I cold retarded the loaves overnight, and 4) I baked the boule at 440F, 20 degrees cooler than the bâtards, to see how I liked this bread with a lighter-colored crust.

We had a few slices of the just-cooled bread with a salad for lunch. It was delicious - moderately sour with a crunchy crust and chewy crumb.

Something for blister lovers: The crust of the boule

 

And for the crumb-obsessed:

 

David

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txfarmer

Jeffrey Hamelman's Flaxseed Rye Report

I posted a thread earlier asking about this recipe, tried again last night, waited patiently for 24 hours and just cut in tonight. The crumb is more open than my first try, I am sure it had something to do with the Sir Lancelot flour from KA I am using this time. Also used water rather than flour when I was handling the dough, which might contribute to the better crumb too. I baked 5 minutes less than last time, the crust feels less burnt. Paid extra attention during shaping to make sure there's no cracks on the surface, which I am certain is the cause for the blowout last time. Well, except that I made another mistake! I didn't flour the cloth well enough during proofing, so it got stuck to the dough a little, destroyed the smooth top. I still scored it, but the surface of the final bread is rather ugly, and I am sure the oven spring was affected. Oh well, lessons learned, next time. The frangrant and taste are fantastic though! Here are some photos:

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SulaBlue

Artisan Bread in 5 Video - did this make anyone else cringe?

http://www.startribune.com/video/11967361.html

A video by the authors that just made me cringe!

I watched this video this morning and I just couldn't help but cringe!

Volume measurements.

Salt tossed right in on top of yeast.

Flour that was scooped out of the jar instead of at least being spooned into the cup.

Instructions that it doesn't matter what angle you hold your knife when scoring.

Comment to let your bread cool "a little" and not cut into it while it's "too" warm.

 

My, what a bread-snob I've become!

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SylviaH

Thin Crispy Crust on pizza

I love making pizza and it's done pretty often around my house..indoors and in the wfo.  So all these pizza's on TFL lately have really been giving me the craving!  I used the Neo-Neapolitan Pizza Dough recipe from PR American pie book.  I made dough with KAAP and KAB flours.  This is a recipe that makes a thin crisp crust with airy pockets in the crown.  Usually I make a thicker crust for use with heavier toppings like sausage or pepperoni and the extra cheeses and tomato that we like...but this time wanted the heavier toppings with the Thin and Crispy crust...It's a little sticky and a touch tricky to handle...as stated in the book..  Well, I've had enough practice now that it's become fun and consistant to make great tasteing pizza's.  Useing the KAAP flour makes the dough even a little more stickier...but with a little practice the dough can be shaped fast with only a little added flour on the peel!  Tonight I wanted a thin, crispy crust with extra's,...I used the AP flour dough balls out of my freezer.   I love the tomato sauce with the spices, herbs, garlic, several cheese blends, fresh garden basil, EVOO and sausage on this one pictured..the other 2 were devoured to fast to get photos.  I went pretty heavy on all the toppings and still got a great crust that stood up, crispy, crunchy and very tastey.  Also this dough was frozen and thawed.  Another plus for convenience!  One thing I do to assure the crust stays crispy is to always place it either on a paper sack..grocery bags are great...or saved cardboard.  I place the bag on top of a cutting board and slice...it then is served on paper plates...another plus for cleanup time..  If you put your pizza onto a pizza pan or a plate your going to get a soggy crust real fast.  The crust has a fantastic flavor!

Baked at 550F on 1 hour pre-heated stones indoor convection oven

Lot's of thick tomato sauce under the cheeses,  and carmelized on top of the bubbles!

Thin, Crispy, Crunchy enough to hold that piece of sausage and cheese on the tip without folding under...nice crispy, crunchy, bubble in the crown!

The dough was stretched out thin enough to see through and the crown left a little thicker..placed directly onto a lightly floured paddle after being shaped between my two palms and flipped back and forth over my wrists and gently stretched in my hands and topped and slid onto the stone and baked about 6 minutes.

Sylvia

 

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bakermomof4

Winco Foods - the flours in the bulk section

I have been shopping at Winco in the bulk section and noticed that they carry -

Whole Wheat Flour and Whole Wheat Bread Flour among many other flours. This got me wondering what exactly the difference was because had not heard of a Whole Wheat Bread Flour. Last time I was there the guy working in that department told me that if I wanted to buy a full bag next time call 2 days before shopping and they will set aside for me. So today I called and talk to them and asked them about some of their flours and this is what he told me:

Whole Wheat Flour - ADM Milling - not sure what one it is from their list http://www.adm.com/en-US/products/Documents/ADM-Milling-Sheet.pdf

Whole Wheat Bread Flour  item #1748 - Bob's Red Mill Whole Wheat Flour

Whole Wheat Pastry Flour item #1731 - Bob's Red Mill Whole Wheat Pastry Flour

Bread Flour - ADM Milling Atlas Flour (which their website http://www.adm.com/en-US/products/Documents/ADM-Milling-Sheet.pdf says is First                    Clear Bakers Flour 14.5%

All Purpose Flour - ADM Milling, I believe it is the one they call ADM H&R 10.25%

Dark Rye Flour - Bob's Red Mill

He also told me that the if we want a full bag - the Bob's Red Mill comes in 25 lb and will receive 5% off the price for full bag purchase. The ADM flours are 50 lb bags and the price is the same as if buying by the pound in bulk section - just more convenient if using large amounts.

Has anyone used the ADM flours? http://www.adm.com/en-US/products/food/flour/Pages/default.aspx

Deanne

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Yippee

090602 My First Sourdough Rye Bread - Water Roux Starter Method

 

This is my first baking project using rye flour.  It is a sourdough bread made with 20% rye flour, which was all used to make the water roux starter.  There are three objectives of this project:

 

  1. Practicing scoring techniques learned from David, in preparation for making his high hydration baguettes.
  2. Testing the vitality of my starter which was fed differently than before. This starter was immediately returned to the fridge after given  a 1:2:2 feeding.  I wanted to compare the activities of this starter to the ones that were refreshed several times.  
  3. Observing the effects of water roux starter in artisan breads.

 

I made three slashes, two according to David's instructions and the last one as a control and was done by the way that I'd been doing before.  The results were dramatically different.  The ones done following David's method were the pretty ones that I've always been envious of.

 

My starters performed similarly even though they were fed differently.  By adopting the 'immediately back to the fridge' methodology, I will be relieved of the workload of feeding and minimizing waste of flours. 

 

This crumb was softer and less chewy compared to the boules I've made.  Breads made with water roux starter normally have a longer keeping time. However, this feature has become less important as I have frozen my breads as soon as they cool.

 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33569048@N05/sets/72157619157537516/

 

        Yippee's portion  Brands/Hydration      
    (%)   (g)        
B -  bread flour 80 = 160 King Arthur      
R -  rye flour 20 = 40 Whole Foods bulk      
SD -  starter 40 = 80 100%      
S -  salt 1.7 = 3.4 Kirkland sea salt      
W -  water 68 = 136        
                 
1 Dissolve S in W.            
2 Mix R in 1              
3 Heat up 2 either on stove (keep stirring) or in microwave (stir halfway) to 65C / 149F  
  COOL AT LEAST TO ROOM TEMPERATURE before use      
4 Mix 3, B and SD until just incorporated        
5 Autolyze 20 minutes            
6 S&F 4-6 times, round up every time        
7 Dough in fridge overnight          
8 Dough out of fridge            
  S&F 4-6 times, round up every time, last 2 times shaped into a bartard      
9 Final proof on canvas            
  Yippee went to sleep and left the dough out in a warm kitchen for 5 hours    
10 Preheat oven to 550F            
  Slash, steam            
  Lower oven temperature to 500 for the first 20 minutes
  460 for the last 10 minutes          
  Leave loaf in the turned off oven for 10 more minutes with door ajar      

 

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subfuscpersona

Brioche question

I need to know the approximate amount of brioche dough that is appropriate for my fluted brioche mold. The mold is about 3" high with a bottom diameter of about 3". The liquid capacity is about 5 & 3/4 cups.

I'm participating in The BBA Challenge

We are a group of home bakers with a crazy goal in mind: to attempt every single recipe in Peter Reinhart’s book, The Bread Baker’s Apprentice: Mastering the Art of Extraordinary Bread.

Reinhart's brioche recipe makes 2 pounds of dough; I want to scale down the recipe ingredients so I only make one loaf using the brioche mold I own (and have never used!).

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wutan

Russian Super Culture

 

As much as I care about the women who shares my kitchen she has tested the bonds of our relationship like nothing in the past twenty years. One morning while waiting for coffee she nonchalantly stated that she threw out the slimy, white stuff in the fridge.  I said what?....she said.... you know the stuff in the container with the orange lid?..... I said.... my sourdough mother that I've kept alive for over year that provides your morning toast? She said oops.... I guess I should have asked you. To say the least "woe was me" and (wife) was sentenced to two weeks of store bought bread.

After recovering from the loss of my old friend  I purchased a Russian culture from Sourdoughs International and built up a new mother. The new stuff is quick and while it produces adequate SD bread it proofs so fast that my baking habits needed adjustment. With my old yeasty friend first build was usually 3-6 hours (85 F) with the second at 12 hours (75F) and the final at 2-3 (80F) hours. I know the times are off but my loaves were nicely proofed had awesome oven spring were golden brown tasty and sour. The new Russian culture is now heading into hooch at 12 hours, I tossed the first batch and tried a second which proofed the same way. With all that said is anyone using a Russian culture from SDI and what are your results??  The culture also has a very unique SD aroma which is nothing like my little friend from last year. Could anyone using the SDI Russian culture please share their experience with it..

 

 

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