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Semolina flour???

What is Semolina flour exactly?  I just bought some.  I know it's used for pasta.  I know the Bread Baker's Apprentice has some recipes using Semolina. 

Fresh pasta question?  All the recipes for fresh pasta use eggs for fresh pasta.....but, the ingredients all the different brands of italian pasta just use semolina and water......anyone know anything about fresh pasta, using eggs, not using eggs????

I was thinking Semolina might make better gnocci than regular flour???

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Janknitz

A Question and a Story

Question First:  Will Stretch and fold work for pretty much any dough, or do some doughs absolutely require kneading?  

I'm not talking about things like laminated doughs (i.e. croissants) but basic lean and enriched bread doughs?

Now the Story:

I posted already about my experiments adding my new wild yeast culture sourdough to KA's multigrain loaf recipe to lighten the crumb and extend the shelf life.   Following Dan Lepard's suggestion, I calculated the total flour weight an added 30% of that weight in sourdough starter to the dough.

My first try was a disaster, but all my fault.  It made the usually dry dough very wet and sticky in my Kitchen Aid mixer.  I did what I knew was a mistake even as I was doing it-- I added flour, and added and added, and added flour, until it came clean from the sides of the bowl.  I probably added 3 or 4 cups of flour and what I got was this very dense, hard, dry loaf.  DUH!  

So when I tried again, I was determined not to add additional flour.  I mixed it up and kneaded it in the KA mixer for about 6 minutes, then put the sticky mass onto my marble board.  I used stretch and fold techniques and the teeniest bit (really about 1 tsp) of flour to ball the thing up.  After the first rise, I stretched and folded the much tamer dough again before putting it in my loaf pan.

I got a lovely, light loaf.  It still has a dense crumb but that is to be expected with all of the ingredients, but it tastes moist and light and delicious.  Now we will see how the shelf life is.

If stretch and fold can handle that sticky mass, it seems to me it can handle anything.  Hence my question.  What do you think?

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Mommy_of_7

sourdough bread in bread pan

Hi,

I'm new to this type of baking and this forum so forgive me if this is a stupid question. I have regual sourdough and herman sourdough and I'm interested in incorporating these into my regular recipes/baking. Also, I would love hints/directions/recipes on making sandwhich bread in a bread pan. I can not find anything. I have no idea what the difference is between knead/no knead recipes for bread. Can anybody help me? Also, I have no idea how I will know if somebody answeres this. LOL!!

Thanks in advance,

Chrissy

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Michael 2003

Bread baking classes?

I live in in Shorewood, just west of the Joliet IL, and have been looking for a bread baking class that is somewhat local to me and have had no success. There's Joliet Junior College but they only offer a basic cooking classes for those looking to go into the hospitality field for work. There are culinary institutes in the area but it's like taking an engineering class to learn how to change a tire, and the experience is out of the question for this one little thing! I even tried chatting up the local bakers, and the Whole foods baker in Naperville is a real baker from flour and yeast to finished product, but I had no success. Perhaps she thought I was attempting to steal her secrets? All I want is to get the basics down and get me going in the right direction. Anyone out here experienced and interested in tutoring?

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Janknitz

Thrift STore Find

Our local Goodwill had a half off sale today and look what I got for $1.49 (regular price $2.99)!

I've been complaining of having difficulty cutting my loaves evenly, so I hope this will help.  It needs some cleaning up--I will probably sand it with some fine sand paper because it feels kind of "greasy" .

I have had some good luck at thrift stores lately.  I got my "Apple Baker" cloche for $3.99 and today this.  Yay!

 

Janknitz

 

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jj1109

200% hydration sourdough batter

Necessity is the mother of invention, it is said. And last night, it was necessary in my kitchen. We were having Honey Chicken, a delicious deep fryed dish of loveliness, and my regular (read - the last time I made it) batter recipe called for beer. After all, everyone knows that beer batter is just the best.

Not any more! I couldn't be bothered going out to get the beer. I was just going to make a very boring yeasted batter, but then remembered Peter Reinhart saying "Beer is liquid bread, bread is solid beer"... I ran to the refrigerator and pulled out the sourdough starter.

50g mature starter (100% hydration)

308g water

35g rye flour

107g bread flour

I whisked all that together and left that to sit in a warm place for about 2-3 hours, and it went very well. Delicious odour to it...

toss the chicken in some cornflour, coat in the batter and deepfry until done. This sourdough batter was the best I have made in 6 years making this dish (ok, so I usually only make it 3 or 4 times a year ;)) It was crunchy crisp and had an amazing flavour, and when I tossed the fried chicken in the honey mixture (stirfry a finely chopped chunk of ginger, add 1/3 cup honey, add chicken when honey is bubbly, once honey is coated mix together 1 tbs soy sauce and 1 tbs cornflour then stir that through) the batter stayed crisp!

A great meal. Now I'm on the lookout for more things I can deepfry in this batter! Unfortunately no pictures as we ate it too quickly!

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Leader's Polish Cottage Rye--the helium really helped with the oven spring!

This was a delicious bread! It was everything I hoped for (thank you David!). This massive loaf had a delightful sourness with a nice rye flavor, a well-developed structure without any hint of heaviness, and a wonderful aroma. I would definitely make it again.

This was a three-build bread: I made the German rye sourdough Thursday night and the rye sourdough Friday night. I used KA bread flour and home-ground unsifted rye (the formula called for white rye so this was a substitution). Everything ticked along exactly as expected. I put the final dough mixture together Saturday morning and mixed it in my Kitchen Aid on speed 4 for 14 minutes (again, thanks for your help on this David!), scraping the sides down twice. After I literally poured the mixture into a dough bucket, I let it ferment at room temperature for about 2 1/4 hours. Meanwhile I scoured the house for an appropriately sized proofing basket for my 2 1/2 pounds of dough finally turning up a basket from a closet.

After rubbing a considerable amount of rye flour into a flour-sack couche, I emptied--again almost poured--the dough into its center. The dough was too slack to shape, so I just lifted the whole thing into the basket, covered it with plastic wrap, and let it proof for another 1 3/4 hours during which time it nearly doubled. I then placed a piece of parchment paper on a baking sheet, sprayed it with PAM, placed it over the basket, flipped it over and watched the dough come tumbling out.

After three quick scores about 1/2-inch deep, I slid the spreading mass onto a preheated oven stone on the middle rack, plopped 3/4 cup of ice cubes in a skillet beneath the stone for steaming, shut the door, and hoped for the best. As I watched through the oven window I was delighted to see a lot of oven spring. The dough expanded both upwards and sideways increasing in volume nearly 50%. I was very pleased and hopeful. I threw a piece of foil over the loaf after 20 minutes because I worried that it was getting brown to quickly and then checked it to see if it was done at 40 minutes. It registered 96º C. so I removed it to a cooling rack. I was very happy to feel that the loaf was wonderfully light. I knew I had a winner.

Notes: I used the rye sour from Leader's book. It had sat in the refrigerator un-refreshed for a month but seemed to perform just fine after only one feeding and 12 hours on the counter (actually, I let it sit on the counter for 24 hours before using it); no doubt, this is a testimonial to the rehabilitation properties of rye flour.
You can see the hole in the top of the loaf where I injected the helium. polish cottage rye
I took some more pictures but didn't have the CF card in the camera so I'll post more tomorrow.
Here are some more pictures. Vodka is the traditional accompaniment.
polish cottage rye
polish cottage rye crumb
This is a picture of about one-third of the loaf in its proofing basket; I'm including it so you can see how really large this massive loaf was.


After our dinner of sausages, grilled red peppers, and sautéed onion relish, we enjoyed a fre$h cherry pie. The pie's crust was perfectly flakey and delicious owing to the incorporation of a small amount of solid Crisco with the butter (as usual, I promised myself that this was absolutely the last time I would use the white stuff!).
fresh cherry pie

--Pamela

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hullaf

past week's baking

I went to a local grist mill, called Fall's Mill in TN, and found some fresh cracked wheat. This is the bread recipe on the side of the bag: 

In a large mixing bowl pour 1 1/2 cups of boiling water over: 

2 cups cracked wheat

1 stick butter

1/2 cup brown sugar

1 tablespoon salt

1 cup wheat germ 

Let cool. Meanwhile dissolve 1 package yeast in 1/2 cup warm water with 1 tablespoon sugar. Set aside to cool. 

Add 1 egg and 1 1/2 cups warm water to cooled wheat mixture. Add yeast and beat in 4 cups of bread flour. Work in additional 4 cups of bread flour by hand to make a fairly firm dough. Knead 5-10 minutes and turn into a greased bowl. Let rise for 1 1/2 hours in a warm place. Punch down and divide into thirds. Form 3 loaves and let rise an additional 1-1 1/2 hours. Bake at 350F for 30 minutes or more. Check often for even browning. Pull out pan, put back in oven for 1-2 minutes to crisp the crust. 

Now, my changes to the above were (don't we all tweak a bit?) -- I only made half the recipe as 3 loaves is way too much for just me and hubbie. I used half bread and half AP flours. I made a poolish with 6 ounces warm water + 6 ounces flour + 1/8 tsp of ADY and let it sit at room temp for 3 hours. I only kneaded 5 minutes by machine and 5 by hand. The final dough was shaped into one large loaf (9x5 pan) and a smaller (7x3x2). Total baking time was 45 min. and 25 minutes respectively. 

    cracked wheat    

The taste was very nice with the cracked wheat kernels soft and detectable. Next time I think I would put in a portion of whole wheat flour.   

Now I was so enamored with the cracked wheat that when I found a recipe in "Breadtime" by S.J. Cheney with sourdough I thought I'd try that too. The recipe is similar to the above, called Yeasted Sourdough Cracked Wheat Bread and the ingredients are: 

3 cups spring water 

1 cup cracked wheat or rye 

1 cup sourdough starter 

7 1/2 cups whole wheat bread flour 

1/4 tsp active dry yeast 

2 teaspoons sea salt 

2 tablespoons corn or other vegetable oil 

This time I made the whole amount, a lot of dough it is! I had been grooming my whole wheat starter a couple days before so that was used and I did soak the cracked wheat overnight with a pinch of salt. I didn't want a totally wheat bread so I used 1/3 whole wheat flour and the rest AP. I shaped the final amounts into one large boule which I baked in a preheated covered cast iron pot and the remaining into a 9x5 loaf (which turned out to be too big - next time I'll use an 8x4). Baked at 400F for 20 minutes, then uncovered with heat decreased to 350F for 28 more minutes. They both were removed from pans and set in oven with door slightly cracked for an additional 5 minutes to crisp the crust. 

                   

This taste of cracked wheat with the sourdough was more tasty with a light sourdough flavor, but the cracked wheat was less pronounced. I think I should have not soaked it so long.  But, I liked this as well if not better than the non-sourdough one. 

I'm so pleased with my whole wheat sourdough starter. I know more and more every week how it reacts to temperature and technique, when it is ready and at it's best. It's nicely active -- which means every week I feed it, and each time I want to bake bread I "groom" it by refreshing/feeding it for 2 or 3 times every 12 hours beforehand. I do use the ratio of 1 part starter/3 parts water/4 parts wheat flour. Works for me. 

I also used my starter for Hamelman's Light Rye bread. It turned out so nice. I do think it is because of my sourdough starter and some newly bought whole rye flour from KA. But Hamelman's recipes always seem to work for me, too. 

   Hamelman's light rye 

So, my freezer is full of saved bread and I'm still eager to try some more recipes before the heat of summer makes me wish I had a southern outdoor kitchen out back. 

Anet

 

 

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LA Baker

Seven-Grain Honey Bread

I would like to share this recipe with everyone. It is a recipe that I make about every 2 weeks.  It is one of my favorites from a recipe book called BAKING BREAD: Old and New Traditions by Beth Hensperger.  The cookbook was given to me about 10 years ago from my highschool girlfriends.  I tried a lot of the recipes but they are were very challenging and it wasn't until recently that I really started to understand how they worked (due in large part to this website!).  So please try this and if you can find the cookbook, many of you advanced bakers would LOVE the challenge of the recipes.

 

Seven-Grain Honey Bread

Yield: 2 9X5 loaves

1 1/2 cups of boiling water

1 cup seven-grain cereal

1 1/2 tablespoons active dry yeast

Pinch sugar

1/4 cup warm water (105 to 115 degrees)

1/4 cup warm buttermilk (105 to 115 degrees)

1/3 cup local honey (I usually substitute molasses for honey as I like this bread darker and less sweet)

3 tablespoons vegetable oil

2 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted

3 eggs

1 tablespoon salt

4 1/2 to 5 cups of unbleached all-purpose flour

 

1.  In a small bowl, pour boiling water over the seven-grain cereal.  Let stand for 1 hour to soften and come to room temperature.

2.  In a small bowl, sprinkle the yeast and pinch of sugar over the warm water.  Stir to dissolve and let stand until foamy, about 10 minutes.

3.  In a large bowl, using a whisk, combine the buttermilk, honey, oil, butter, eggs, salt, and 1 cup of the flour.  Beat hard until smooth, and 1 minute.  Add the cereal and yeast mixture.  Add the remaining unbleached flour 1/2 cup at a time until a soft, sticky dough is formed that just clears the sides of the bowl, switching to a wooden spoon when necessary.  This dough may also be mixed in a heavy-duty mixer, if desired.

4.  Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured surface and knead until a soft and springy dough is formed, about 3 minutes, adding 1 tablespoon of flour at a time as necessary to prevent sticking.  The dough will have a nubby and slightly tacky feel.  Place a greased deep container, turn once to coat the top and cover with plastic wrap.  Let rise at room temperature until doubled in bulk about 1 to 1 1/4 hours.

5.  Turn the dough out onto the work surface.  Divide into 2 equal portions and form into 9X5 loaves.  Place the loaves in greased loaf pans.  Cover loosely with plastic wrap and let rise at room temperature until double in bulk, about 30 to 40 minutes.  Twenty minutes before baking, preheat over to 375.

6.  Bake in the center of the preheated oven until golden brown and hollow-sounding when tapped, about 35-50 minutes.  Remove from pans to cool on the racks before serving.

 

Hope you all enjoy and please comment if you try it!

 

http://www.amazon.com/Baking-Bread-Old-New-Traditions/dp/0811800784

 

 

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SulaBlue

Flour for brotforms

D'oh! I forgot to get rice flour to use in my new brotforms. I don't really feel like going to the store tomorrow JUST to get rice flour. Is there a second choice that would work OK? I have KA Bread Flour, stone ground whole wheat, cornmeal, and I have whole quina, barley, wheat berries, rye berries (either could be coarsely ground), oats (could make oat flour, but I think that'd be particularly sticky?) Heck, I've even got a boatload of brown rice that I could grind in the spice grinder if that'd work?

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