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ericb

cheese, anyone?

I know this is pretty far off topic, but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about making cheese? In a way, it seems similar to making sourdough bread: mix a bunch of raw ingredients together, put it in a warm place for a given amount of time, and let the bacteria work their magic.

Friends of ours buy a special kit that includes enzymes, but it's fairly expensive. I'm wondering if there is a way to produce these enzymes "naturally," like one cultivates a new starter.

Any thoughts on this?

 

Eric

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Amberh11

Hawaiian Dinner Rolls

Only a few days left until easter and I have been the designated bread baker for my family's easter dinner. My mom loves those "Kings Hawaiian Rolls" ( the ones they are selling like crazy at costco right now ) so I was thinking...hey I want to try and bake rolls like that... does anyone have a recipe that is similar to these rolls?

 

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SulaBlue

Working a High-Hydration Sourdough

What I'm working with:

http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/07/08/my-new-favorite-sourdough/

I just did the first fold. I don't have a long enough container, with a lid, that I can turn this out into so I'm keeping it in the mixing bowl (Which, like a dork, I forgot to oil - it's always something, isn't it?!) Anyway, I just gave it 2-3 good folds at the 50 minute mark and have to do the next fold in 100 minutes. I'm assuming that the dough is going to stiffen up some as it goes. It's very, very wet right now. Not sticky per se, but it's a bit like playing with that 'goo' stuff that we got out of the vending machines as kids.

This has all been hand mixed, no KA or other electric mixer. I assure you, you DEFINITELY know when things are 'just mixed' when mixing nearly 4 pounds of dough by hand. Holy moley, I'm going to need a sling :) Anyway, as I said, I just did the first fold. I grabbed as much as I could and gave it a slow tug vertically until it looked like it was about to tear (in one case it did, oops) and then folded it over, turned the bowl one-quarter turn and repeated. I made 2 1/2 turns of the bowl. It's practically running through my hands like the aforementioned 'goo.'

What should I look for when I do the next set of folds? What texture am I looking for to know that it's 'done' and ready for shaping, or if I need to give it a few more folds? I haven't worked with such a wet, stretchy dough before! I'm going to divide out half and immediately refrigerate to use for pizza dough. The rest I'm going to -attempt- to shape into two batards on my pastry cloth.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated. (Videos that show a good close-up of the proper texture of a completed folded dough would be a blessing)

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MarkS

How to add potatoes to a recipe?

What should I keep in mind when adding cooked and/or dried potatoes to a recipe that didn't previously call for it? I can assume that if I add instant potatoes to the recipe, it doesn't add to the flour and being dry, doesn't add to the liquid. However, what if I cook and mash whole potatoes? Even if fully drained, there will be an addition of water to the recipe. Is there an easy way to tell how much I'm adding?

Also, how would the addition of potatoes affect the final product? How much is too much?

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flour-girl

Chicago-style deep-dish

Hi --

I just posted a wonderful Chicago-style stuffed-crust pizza over on Flour Girl.

I know we talk a lot here about light, crispy thin-crust pizzas here, but there's something to be said for a chewy, buttery, dense Chicago-style pie now and then.

I stuffed last night's pizza with spinach and cheese.

What do you all like best in your deep-dish pie?

Happy baking!

Flour Girl

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pjaj

Malt flour

Does anyone know of a supply of malt flour in the UK?

I know about Wessex Mill's Malt Loaf Flour, but this is a mixture of 15% malt flour with white flour and it has sugar and "flour improver" as well.

Malt flours come in several grades ranging from pale lightly roasted with the enzymes still active to a dark roast with more flavour, but no enzyme activity left.

I've emailed two commercial suppliers a few days ago, but have received no replys, so I'm not hopeful there.

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pjaj

How to achieve a soft crust.

I am trying to duplicate a commercial loaf that is virtually crustless. It is a malt fruit loaf. I have tried baking it at a lower temperature for longer and with a pan of boiling water in the bottom of the oven. This is better, but it still comes out with a light, crisp crust. Any ideas how I could keep / make the crust softer? The recipe I'm using can be found in the discussion on this site here.

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gijose

Working Wet Doughs by Hand... kneading vs folding?

I know it's a topic that has been talked about quite often, and I have seen the tutorial on folding.

 

I have been working quite successfully with 80% hydration dough.  I'm using the Pain a L'Ancienne recipe in the BBA, and I now have a scale, so I can more accurately recreate my bread effectively :)  What I have been doing is... mixing the ingredients together for a minute or so, then put the dough in the refrigerator for an autolyse period (the recipe calls for cold fermentation, so I figured this made sense).  When I take the dough out it's much smoother, and I give it a few folds, and toss it back in the fridge to hang out.

 

I get bread that looks and tastes delicious, so I'm not really looking to change too much.  The recipe itself uses a kitchenaid mixer, and works the dough a lot harder than I do.  In the recipe the dough is basically kneaded for several minutes.  All I do is autolyse and fold for a minute or two.  What would working the dough more accomplish?  Would I have to knead the dough to effectively develop gluten?  Or does folding do the trick?  Next time I make the dough I'm going to try taking the bowl out and folding a few times every hour or so, just to see what happens.  Just wondering if I could expect any changes in the bread.

 

Thanks!

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chahira daoud

HELP!!! These little creatures are envading my kitchen !!!!

Hello dear friends , I really missed you all, but I did not want to show you my face untill I fulfill my promise to Minioven and other fellows, i promised that I will share my recipes for "Falafel & Egyptian beans dish" but till now I did not make it, I was so busy and I do not have any space in my freezer but I am thinking seriously to buy a deep freezer because my freezer is complaining. And I am used to prepare large batch and freeze it to be ready anytime, sorry guys and I will hurry up and make it as soon as possible.

Concerning the title of my blog entry, mmmmmm!!

That was my daughter birthday, I chose a savory dish beside the cake I made for her and her classmates, I baked these little hedgehogs, from 7 cups of flour, I got 69 cute hedgehogs.

I really liked it, I used it as sandwiches or canapes.

and as soon as they are out of my oven , they invaded my kitchen, there was a hedgehogs every where!!!!

 

There was even a battle.

But there was also a love story !!!

What do you think he is telling her????

My kids and the girls even all the adults like them from the first look.

Are'nt they cuuuute???

Thank you all and missed you all, and i'll be ready sooooon with my Falafel or "Taameea" & egyptian beans blog post.

Ah !! forgot to tell you about the birthday cake ,,, it was a hit!!

To watch it, please visit me on my blog

http://chahirakitchen.blogspot.com/

Bye Bye !! Love you all !!

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pmccool

Whole Wheat Genzano Country Bread

Today's bake was Daniel Leader's Whole Wheat Genzano Country Bread, from his Local Breads book.  This bread combines a biga naturale for flavor with yeast for shorter, more predictable fermentation times.

The formula is straight-forward: the biga, water, equal parts whole wheat and bread flours, salt and yeast.  Final hydration works out to about 77%.  Based on Leader's description of the dough, I was expecting something almost in the ciabatta realm.  It turned out to be less gloppy than a ciabatta dough, perhaps because of the extra absorbency of the whole wheat flour.  Still, it was definitely better handled by the mixer than by hand.  I'm a little leery of his mixing directions, though.  First, he recommends an 10-minute run at speed 8 on a Kitchen Aid, followed by an 8-10 minute run at speed 10.  I didn't run it quite that long, or quite that fast, since I was seeing good gluten development.  Plus, the dough was clearing the sides of the bowl, even though it was very sticky.  The directions indicated that it probably cause the mixer to walk.  Hah!  I had to hold it down, what with the ball of dough slapping and releasing from the sides of the bowl.

After the mixing/kneading stage, the dough is dumped into an oiled container for 1-1.5 hours until it doubles.  It is then treated to a series of stretch and folds in the container (I used a plastic bowl scraper for this exercise), then allowed to double again.  Having finished bulk fermentation, the dough is scraped out onto a floured counter, divided in two, and (very gently) shaped into rough, rectangular loaves that are placed on bran-strewn pieces of parchment paper for their final rise.  The risen loaves go onto stone in a preheated oven, with steam.  The initial temperature is 450 F, which is dropped to 400 F for the second part of the bake.  Oven-spring was good.  The crust color is a deep brown, but not the near-black color promised in the formula.

The finished bread looks like this:

Whole Wheat Genzano Country Bread

The crust is thin and crackly, although I expect it will soften because of the internal moisture.  The flavor is very good; closer to that of a yeasted bread than to a sourdough but with some complexity that isn't usually present in a straight dough.  There doesn't seem to be the bitterness that sometimes shows up in whole wheat breads.  The crumb is moderately open, though nothing like the big holes of a ciabatta.  That's not bad, since this will be used primarily for sandwiches.  The breads are relatively light in weight for their size, another indicator of an open crumb.  I'll have to get a crumb shot, later.

I will definitely make this again, although I may experiment with leaving out the yeast.  That should swing the flavor profile in a whole 'nother direction.  Before getting to that, though, I have my eye on a couple of different rye recipes from Local Breads.

Paul

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