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Cooking202

Korean Rolls

I can't think of a better place for hard to find info.  Years ago there was a Korean Bakery that made the best rolls I think I have ever tasted.  They were football shaped with an indention on top that was filled with about a tablespoon of butter, scallions and salt that had been simmered until tender and simply placed in a puddle on top.  I have searched the net for years and haven't found anything that even sounds close.  Any help would be appreciated.  There might be a time when I don't have to ask so many questions, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Carol

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SylviaH

Daniel T. DiMuzio's Rosemary Olive Oil Bread:pics

Today I made Daniel T. DiMuzio's Olive Oil Bread and I have placed on order his new book.  Daniel and Floyd's photo's/write-up really encouraged me to bake this bread.  The bread turned out lovely.  It was very easy to make and went quite well with our Scampi Diablo Pasta dinner tonite.  I used Rosemary from my tiny new plant I picked up at the nursery the other day.  The leaves were very green, pliable and fresh.  The bread is tender and at first bite there was the lovely mellow flavor of the rosemary.  I think this bread will grill very nicely for sandwiches tomorrow....my husband wants to toast everything..I don't know about jam and rosemary!  Maybe some lemon curd on it for a snack!

I also made Jeffrey Hamelman's Pain au Levain. This is a very nice sourdough bread with a pleasing taste and crumb.

Rosemary Olive Oil Boule's

Very tender open crumb.

Front two loaves are J.H. Pain au Levain (Sourdough Bread) back loaf is Rosemany Olive Oil Bread

Pain au Levain Crumb

Sylvia

 

 

 

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sallam

poolish: fridge or counter?

Greetings

I use a 100% hydration yeast poolish to make my whole wheat dough. I need to know whether a poolish should be allowed to over-ferment or should we move it to the fridge once it doubles?

I ask because I'm living in a warm weather, and my poolish collapses if allowed to develop after getting doubled in height. What is your recommendation regarding this?

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Nim

bread knife and matters slicing

How can we slice bread so that in the end we are not left with a piece that is too wide on one side and just enough for a single slice on the other. All of my loafs almost invariable end like that, at which point, I just cut it into squares and share it with my 3 yr old who doesn't care that it is not a slice anymore.

Also, what do people here recommend for buying a good bread knife? Till now, I have just been using the serrated knife from my very ordinary set of knifes on a wooden block. I think after three years of never buying bread from a store and baking at least once a week, I should buy a good bread knife. (I tend to be a minimalist in the kitchen!) Don't want to spend a fortune though...

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hansjoakim

Fresh loaves

Here are some of my recent loaves: This weekend I had a go at a Pain Meunier ("Miller's bread"), which is a great tasting wheat loaf. Apparently, this kind of bread was invented by boulangers as a way to thank their millers for reliable flour and grains. The whole wheat kernel is used in these recipes; in addition to wheat flours, cracked wheat, wheat germ and wheat bran are often added. The result is a wonderful, nutritious wheat loaf, with an appealing golden colour.

Pain Meunier

I used the overall recipe from Suas' ABAP as my jumping off point, added some more whole wheat flour, increased the hydration slightly, and tweaked it so that I could use my firm, white starter for the loaf. A very nice everyday wheat loaf!

Pain Meunier crumb

I've also had great success with turning this dough into rustic wheat baguettes, but then I've opted for a poolish instead of a firm starter as the preferment. This dough yields baguettes with a crisp crust and a full wheaty flavour. Recommended.

 

The next loaf is the whole grain loaf from the same book. My first go at this formula, so you can see from the photo below that I was slightly "optimistic" in scoring the loaf... The oven spring wasn't exactly tremendous, so the cuts just barely opened up, but the loaf held its profile very well during the bake. I guess a thorough mix followed by gentle shaping is the way to go with loaves like this.

100% whole grain bread

The formula calls for a whole wheat levain, so the only white flour comes from the stiff starter used to seed the levain. The rest is a mix of whole wheat flour, rye meal, medium rye flour and a soaker of flax, sesame, sunflower seeds and rolled oats. I just had a slice with some chèvre and one with herring, and I found both to be "most agreeable" (i.e. "great"). The dominating taste in this loaf for me, is the soaker combined with a certain spicyness that I'll ascribe to the rye meal.

100% whole grain bread crumb

 

Yesterday I baked two Gibassiers - a flat bread from the Luberon region of France. The dough is rich, made up of milk, eggs, olive oil, butter, orange blossom water (I couldn't find any, so I used Cointreau instead - perhaps making this the "grown up version" of the Gibassier?), candied orange peel and anise seeds. Mixing this kind of dough is pretty labour intensive, as it should have a good windowpane before mixing is over, and sugar and butter need to be added late in the mixing process to not inhibit gluten formation.

Gibassier

To be perfectly honest, I was slightly disappointed by the resulting loaves. Don't get me wrong: The taste was remarkabe, the crumb was velvety soft and delicate and the kitchen filled up with the most pleasing orange scent. It was just that, at every second bite, I was a bit reminded by my favourite scone recipe... And that's something one pulls from the oven about 30 minutes after mixing has begun - the Gibassier is made with an overnight sponge and needs to see some pretty intense mixing. Of course, a scone can never compete in terms of crumb texture, keeping qualities or the full taste complexity of the Gibassier, but I'm still undecided whether the end result is fully worth it. Well, it certainly is if you want to bake something special for a celebration or a holiday, but perhaps not as a mid-week treat... Let's leave it at that for now. I'll probably change my mind the next time I make them ;)

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BvN

Poolish Pride - notes on the zymurgy of set sponges.

I am a retired engineer, a baker of bread, and brewer of beer. This blurb is narrowly focused on what I have learned about the setting of sponge for the baking of bread (updated 6.May.09).

I have a very large supply of Saccharomyces cerevisia, the species of yeast used for baking. It is a by product of my brewing of ales. I cannot match the expertise and baking skills I have observed on this forum; but, I can contribute in this fairly narrow aspect.

The strain of S cerevisia is of little importance in baking. If it did, nobody would use instant or active dry yeast. Many students can attest, beer from these sources is not good. The bread turns out fine.

Stainless has no practical effect on yeast fermentation. Stainless steel is the rule for the construction of fermentation vats by both brewers and vintners. Yeast acidify their environment only slightly.

Oils and iodine (as in most table salt) are poisonous to yeast.. Small amounts MgSO4 (Epsom) & CaSO4 (Gypsum) cause no problems. Adding salts, is generally, a very bad idea.

Flour is a second rate food for yeast, they have to be starved into eating it (aclimate). Malt extract (malt liquor) is the finest yeast food. For baking, I recommend a dry malt extract - less than $5 / lb; almost a lifetime supply and it stores in anything airtight.

My understanding is that sponges differ from starters in that yeast propagation is not done with flour. Starters, quickly, get contaminated with wild yeast, molds, and bacteria - most commonly lactobaccilus which creates the sour dough effect. Maintaining a pure yeast culture is beyond the scope of this writing (at the moment). Good sanitary practices can maintain cultures for well over a year.

--- How I do it.

The objective of the following method is to impart a rich, full, and complex flavor to the dough without making it sweet. This is done by the maltose and dexidrines from the malt extract. It is more subtle than what occurs with sucrose, glucose, and fructose. The timing and measures are incredibly sloppy. Yeast can be very forgiving, if treated right. Minimize mechanical shock, thermal shock, light, and invadeing microorganisms.

I make as much sponge as possible. I put all off the dough's water requirement into my sponge.

Step 1 - Sanitize everything. Bleach water once, rinse twice. 1 capfull of bleach to a gallon of water.

Step 2 - Make lots of healthy, happy, well fed, yeast. Combine the water and at least 1 Tbs of malt extract powder for each 6 oz of water into a gallon jug. Temperature should be 75 ~ 85 F. Shake violently for a minute or so, to release the chlorine and to add oxygen (aerate). Decant into a bowl that holds twice the amount of water. I sort of add about 1 Tbs of yeast culture for each cup of water. It doesn't really matter as this is a propogation step, not a fermentation step. Cover and rest for 15 minutes to a couple of hours. The yeast will begin to reproduce very quickly. This is not fermentation, which is an anerobic process. Don't peek - at least not much. The longer this is left, the less maltose will remain and there will be more yeast to feed. You can add more malt extract at any time. The yeast are not as fussy about malt extract feeding schedules as they are about flour feeding schedules.

If using another source of yeast - split the water and follow the package directions. Add the malt powder, etc to the remainder. The source of the S cerevesia (yeast) is completly unimportant.

Step 3 - Make the sponge In a vessel, at least 4 times the amount of water (note: I use a small 2 gallon stainless steel pot with lid). Combine 1 cup of flour for each 12 oz of water - a very thin batter.

Step 4 - Set the sponge. Cover and keep warm 70 - 75 F for at least 6 hours. It can be kept for a couple of days without problems. If all goes well, the sponge will tripple in volume, and it will not separate. A fully set sponge will look uniformly bubbly and be very sticky.

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noyeast

My turn to post a pic or two...

I thought it about time I started reciprocating with photos after all the awesome shots I've been viewing from you all since I joined The Feash Loaf three weeks ago.

 

I've been concentrating on getting my sourdough starter up and running and baking ciabatta loaves which my family have benn devouring ravenously.  But there has been a complaint from one of my daughters that she has no sandwich loaf with which to make her lunch.  So here is my first attempt at a plain white SL (two loaves: a Boule and some kind of regular loaf too )

I might take another pic of my ciabattas later and post them below.

Paul.

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janij

Pizza Night- Thank you Peter Reinhart!

Tonight I tried two new pizza doughs out of Reinhart's American Pie.  Let me say YUMMY!!!  The crust on both were thin and very tasty.  I have not made dough that had that much flavor ever.  I made the Neo-Neapolitan dough as well as the Roman dough.  The Roman was thin and had a nice cruch to it.  My husband really likes thin crust and both of these delivered.  For all of the doughs in American Pie you make the dough the night before and retard over night in the fridge.  I made on mistake and used AP flour in the Neo dough instead of bread flour.  I am wondering is that is why I didn't really get a bigger crust.  But I am really anxious to try this dough out in my wood fire oven this weekend.  We are still curing it.  I cooked the pizzas in a 550 deg oven on tiles.  I am very happy about pizza night tonight.

Sorry the picture is not better.  I need to read the info on taking food pictures on this site.  Will work on it!

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Janknitz

How do I strengthen my starter?

11 days ago I started two starters according to the directions here on TFL with rye flour and pineapple juice.  The only difference between them is that I added the smallest pinch of commercial yeast to one starter, because if the "natural" starter failed I still wanted to have something to "play with" in the end. 

I have fed both starters equally.  I did three days of rye flour and pineapple juice, and then switched to unbleached AP flour and bottled spring water.  I still have them on the countertop, feeding them twice daily with AP flour and water.  Around the 5th or 6th day I dosed the natural starter with a small amount of vinegar to try to invigorate it. 

From the beginning, the yeasted starter has been very vigorous.  It has lots  of large bubbles, definitely makes hooch, and has a very sour smell.  I have no doubt that it can leaven at this point, though I understand that I'm probably propogating the commercial strain of yeast with it, not the "wild yeast" that we aim for. 

The "natural starter" has been far more sluggish.  It has only a few, small bubbles.  It does make a small amount of less alcoholic smelling liquid, and it is clearly increasing in volume.  It has a lovely sour smell.  I know it's alive, but it is not very strong.  It doesn't double and I don't think it could leaven anything yet. 

 I tasted a small amount of both starters, and the natural starter had a pleasant, clean sour taste.  The yeasted starter was more sour, less pleasant.  So I don't want to give up on the natural starter yet--I think it will make delicious bread someday . . . perhaps. 

Is there anything I can do to invigorate the natural starter?  Should I give it some more rye feedings to try to increase the wild yeasts that came from the rye flour?  Is there anything else I can do to make this a viable leavening for sourdough? 

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Yippee

20090503 Assorted Yummy Buns

Little Yippees have had all these sandwich breads that I've been testing for weeks.  They are begging for a change.   Here it is, something different on the table for breakfast:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33569048@N05/sets/72157617619002761/show/

 

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